Tech Writing Class Notes for Final NMC Project
Here are the notes for students in both sections of ENG 107 at LCCC. This explains the final project in detail and provides some starting points for research and dissemination.
[18:16] You: Hi everyone!
[18:16] Daliah Carter: Hi desi
[18:16] Ionnes McBride: hello
[18:16] Eloise Pasteur: Hi Desi :-)
[18:16] Nathamine Nemeth: hi
[18:17] You: How is everyone doing?
[18:17] Ionnes McBride: good... i'm nervous about this final project
[18:17] You: ok, let's talk about it
[18:17] Nathamine Nemeth: I have a couple questions about it
[18:17] You: what makes you nervous?
[18:17] You: ok, lets talk about it
[18:17] Ionnes McBride: i don't have any clue what you want in it... lol
[18:17] You: what questions do you have
[18:17] Nathamine Nemeth: wel...
[18:17] You: ok - lets start with the point of it all
[18:18] Ionnes McBride: sounds good
[18:18] Nathamine Nemeth: what from should our citations and bib take?
[18:18] You: NMC wants to know who has used the horizon report and how
[18:18] Ionnes McBride: okay...
[18:18] You: you may use either MLA or APA
[18:18] Nathamine Nemeth: footnotes?
[18:18] You: so, everyone go to www.digg.com
[18:18] You: and type in NMC
[18:18] You: in the search tab
[18:18] You: what comes up?
[18:19] Ionnes McBride: "second life: NMC creativity symposium"... whatever that means
[18:19] You: that was a conference
[18:19] You: do you see any citations for the Horizon report?
[18:20] Ionnes McBride: not really... most of it isn't the "NMC" i'm looking for
[18:20] Nathamine Nemeth: when is this due?
[18:21] Parrot Ferrer is Online
[18:21] You: try NMC Horizon Report
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: okay
[18:21] You: it is Due December 1
[18:21] You: I got one hit
[18:21] Nathamine Nemeth: thanksgiving break doesn't change our schedule?
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: Serious Games To Have Significant Influence on Higher Education
[18:21] You: nope :-)
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: and that's it
[18:21] You: right
[18:21] You: ok
[18:21] You: now lets look at that link
[18:21] You: click on it
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: okay
[18:22] You: we know, for example that this is a blog
[18:22] Ionnes McBride: okay...
[18:22] You: and we know that it is a summary of the report with links directly to the report
[18:22] You: does it do anything else with it?
[18:22] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:23] Ionnes McBride: well... there is a 32 page report about something...
[18:23] You: that is the horizon report (the one you were supposed to have read :-)
[18:23] You: it links to it
[18:23] You: but there is a specific reason given
[18:23] You: why is this person linking to it?
[18:24] Ionnes McBride: uhhh... i'm gonna say i read it... and then go look at it to make sure
[18:24] You: lol
[18:24] Ionnes McBride: wait... what was the question?
[18:24] You: we know this is a blog
[18:24] You: we know that it links to the exact documents
[18:24] You: both the long report and the short list
[18:24] You: but the blog writer gives a reason
[18:25] You: why does this poster link to it?
[18:25] You: read the blog post
[18:25] Ionnes McBride: it is supposed to "seek and identify" technology that will be used in education... i think
[18:26] Ionnes McBride: am i at least close?
[18:26] You: what does this line mean
[18:26] You: With regards to Serious Games, the object of my affection, Virtual Worlds end up on the shortlist as a real opportunity, to be “adopted in two to three years” whilst Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO) Educational Gaming, "within four to five years" shall be common place in a variety of disciplines.
[18:27] Ionnes McBride: meaning... real gamers don't like things like SL... but they would be more willing to try an actually MMORPG
[18:27] You: well, that is the persons interest
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: yes...
[18:28] You: but how is it connected to NMC?
[18:28] You: this person cites the Horizon report to do WHAT to his or her work?
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: NMC is the way to find out how to use an MMO and education simaltamiously
[18:28] You: legitimize?
[18:28] You: right?
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: yes...
[18:28] You: people think that educational games are baloney
[18:28] You: so here is a reputable orgization saying this is the way education is going
[18:29] You: and so this person wants to get connected to that information
[18:29] You: so, we can tell NMC that one person used the report to legitimize their work in edu-gaming
[18:29] You: right?
[18:29] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:29] You: ok
[18:29] You: lets all go to http://del.icio.us
[18:29] Ionnes McBride: ah... and then i've found my source... and cn answer all the questions that i need to for the final...
[18:30] You: and do the same thing
[18:30] You: RIGHT!
[18:30] You: lets go to del.icio.us
[18:30] You: and see what we find there
[18:30] Ionnes McBride: see... it's starting to click... slowly
[18:31] You: Lots of stuff there
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:31] You: we will have to look at each citation
[18:31] You: see HOW the report has been used and WHO has used
[18:31] You: so, in that first example
[18:31] You: we know that it was used ina BLOG
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: the first link?
[18:31] You: (from Digg)
[18:31] You: we know WHY it was used
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: oh.. rite
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:31] Nathamine Nemeth: most of the links at delicious are to the report itself
[18:32] You: and we could figure out pretty easily who the blogger is
[18:32] Ionnes McBride: i agree with Nath
[18:32] You: ah
[18:32] Ionnes McBride: true again
[18:32] You: so, we can sum up ALL those with X number of people tagged the 2007 Horizon Report on Del.icio.us
[18:33] You: so, we can say that HOW they used it was tagging it
[18:33] Ionnes McBride: no way!!
[18:33] You: and WHY they used it was social bookmarking
[18:33] Ionnes McBride: okay... that's cool
[18:33] You: now, lets count up how many people ALSO connected to it
[18:33] You: (thats the little number in red)
[18:33] You: who can add that all up?
[18:34] You: the SAVED BY
[18:34] Nathamine Nemeth: almost a thousand
[18:34] You: add them all up
[18:34] You: ok, so now we know that nearly a THOUSAND people have saved it on Del.icio.us
[18:34] Ionnes McBride: wow
[18:34] You: now, if you are a compnay and you want to know how effective your report is
[18:34] You: isnt this a great way to track back?
[18:34] Ionnes McBride: i should be writing this all down... is there a way to save all that was said here?
[18:35] Nathamine Nemeth: yeah
[18:35] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:35] You: I will publish this chat on the wiki
[18:35] You: how is that?
[18:35] Ionnes McBride: that's great
[18:35] Eloise Pasteur: open your history, click into the window, cntl-A, Cntl-C and paste it into word or similar
[18:35] You: now. lets brainstorm other places
[18:35] You: how about SlideShare?
[18:35] You: lets go there and see
[18:35] You: www.slideshare.net
[18:36] You: I got 536!
[18:36] Ionnes McBride: i got... 5742
[18:36] Nathamine Nemeth: views?
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: huh?
[18:37] Fleep Tuque is Online
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: wait... now i'm confused
[18:37] Nathamine Nemeth: I don't get a "linked to" or saved at slideshare
[18:37] You: ok, well that may be because we used different tags
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: oh... i get it
[18:37] You: what did you use?
[18:37] You: I used NMC Horizon
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: NMC Horizon Report
[18:37] You: ok
[18:37] Nathamine Nemeth: NMC
[18:38] Nathamine Nemeth: I get 536 for NMC horizon
[18:38] You: Ok, so you need to look at all of them :-)
[18:38] You: and sort them
[18:39] You: Larry Pixel is coming to say hi
[18:39] Ionnes McBride: i hope your kidding
[18:39] You: he is the CEO of NMC
[18:39] You: nope, not kidding
[18:39] You: lol
[18:39] You: now, this is what I WOULD DO
[18:39] You: I would email the class in WebCT
[18:39] You: and get everyone to take a few
[18:39] You: and then share your results on teh blogs
[18:39] You: that way everyone does a little
[18:39] You: but not everyone does it all :-)
[18:39] Ionnes McBride: as opposed to just randomly picking a few?
[18:40] You: thats what I would do if I were a student in the class?
[18:40] You: right, you cant randomly pick
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: what about the calss wiki?
[18:40] You: you could do that too
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: the links we all tagged a while back?
[18:40] You: you could send an email to everyone in WebCT
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: where is that?
[18:41] You: ask them to look at the wiki
[18:41] You: or tell them what you are doing
[18:41] You: and what yopu want the m to do
[18:41] Ionnes McBride: i vote that Nath head it up
[18:41] You: keep me in the loop
[18:41] Nathamine Nemeth: uh......
[18:41] You: and I can help wit hthe wiki side
[18:41] You: or set up a wiki for you
[18:41] Nathamine Nemeth: what am i doing?
[18:41] You: whatever you want me to do - - but I cant send the email
[18:41] Hydra Shaftoe is Online
[18:41] You: this is your project and not mine :-)
[18:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Entering chat range: Larry Pixel (0m)
[18:41] You: do you know how to send email in WebCT?
[18:42] You: just hightlight everyone's name
[18:42] Nathamine Nemeth: I just want to know where is that wiki we made a while back?
[18:42] Eloise Pasteur: Hey Larry
[18:42] Ionnes McBride: yes... that's all i use
[18:42] You: it is still there
[18:42] Daliah Carter: Hello Larry
[18:42] Ionnes McBride: Hello Larry
[18:42] You: Hi LArry, welcome
[18:42] Larry Pixel: Hi everyione!
[18:42] You: these are two students from tech writing
[18:42] Larry Pixel: I have been following your project
[18:42] You: they are working on tracking back the 2007 HP
[18:42] Nathamine Nemeth: I have to decline thi smass e-mail...I have ebough on my plate.
[18:43] You: Larry, can you tell the students what you do?
[18:43] You: who you are and all that great stuff?
[18:43] Larry Pixel: I am the CEO of the New Media Consortium
[18:43] Larry Pixel: you can find more about me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_F._Johnson
[18:43] Larry Pixel: NMC publishes the Horizon Report each january
[18:44] Nathamine Nemeth: so there is one coming soon?
[18:44] You: Larry, it you had to pick one web 2.0 application that you suspect tags the report the most, which one would it be?
[18:44] Larry Pixel: and I lead the project in addition to many other things at NMC
[18:44] You: yes, another will come in January
[18:44] Larry Pixel: yes it is is released each january, so we are deep into writing the 2008 Report
[18:45] Larry Pixel: well I'd look for some evidence first, but have not done that
[18:45] Ionnes McBride: what are some of the newest items?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: what have you found?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: new items for 2008?
[18:45] Ionnes McBride: oh... i didn't know you were talking to me
[18:45] Larry Pixel: we're not that far yet
[18:45] Larry Pixel: it is still November!
[18:46] Larry Pixel: we have it down from 240 items on the original list in August to 12 now
[18:46] You: were there any suprises in what didn't make the cut?
[18:46] Larry Pixel: so if you have one question for the author of the Horizon Report, what woudl it be?
[18:46] Larry Pixel: mmmmmm.....surprises? No not really
[18:47] Ionnes McBride: How accurate are the predictions?
[18:47] Larry Pixel: Remember we are looking for things that will enter common use on campuses, so most are already in use in business and industry or entertainment now
[18:48] Larry Pixel: How accurate are the predictions?
[18:48] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:48] Larry Pixel: well that is a common question, but it is not one we particularly are focused on -- we look for ones that are interesting....but to answer directly, in 4 years, we've not missed any
[18:49] Larry Pixel: all are in common use within the time frames we thought. Some have converged with others, some have new names, but all have made it into common use
[18:49] You: Larry, is it useful for you to know HOW the project has been used?
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: cn i ask a second question?
[18:49] You: lol
[18:49] You: sure
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: nm...
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: go ahead
[18:49] Larry Pixel: for example we used to call things like Facebook "social computing"
[18:50] Larry Pixel: now it is called social networking -- or even a social operating system
[18:51] Ionnes McBride: i have a more specific question... we were discussing real gamers... and the fact that they won't use something SL, but want more of an MMO
[18:51] Larry Pixel: ahhhh
[18:51] Ionnes McBride: is that balance between the gaming and education possible in a way to reach hardcore gamers?
[18:51] Larry Pixel: welll I'd argue that Second Life and the other some 100 virtual worlds are not games at all
[18:52] Ionnes McBride: so would i...
[18:52] Larry Pixel: but merely share a commion approach to platform
[18:53] Larry Pixel: in my research, the most common actual games used in edu so far are not MMOs
[18:53] You: so, does this information help you, LArry?what the students are doing?
[18:53] You: for example, we just discovered that many people are using it to legitimize their work
[18:53] Larry Pixel: now in the military, that is not the case...they use games all the time for training
[18:53] You: is that something that is helpful to know?
[18:54] Larry Pixel: yes we very much appreciate this sort of support and expansion of the work we have done. I hope you will share your reports with us.
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] You: they are all coming to you and Alan
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] Ionnes McBride: willl we get paid? lol.. jk
[18:54] You: as part of their grade
[18:54] You: you get paid in the form of grades
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] Ionnes McBride: typical teacher answer
[18:54] You: Larry is really busy and could only stop for a second to be with us
[18:54] Larry Pixel: will NMC pay you?
[18:54] Larry Pixel: no
[18:55] Desideria Stockton is a typical cranky teacher
[18:55] You: lol
[18:55] Larry Pixel: we are not-for-profit
[18:55] Ionnes McBride: oh okay...
[18:55] You: and I dont get paid either
[18:55] You: lol
[18:55] Larry Pixel: our purpose is to make contributions that help people, and all involved are violunteers
[18:55] You: but, NMC has been a great supporter of education here
[18:55] You: in SL
[18:56] You: and, specifically, the literature builds for Literature Alive!
[18:56] Larry Pixel: it was very very nice to meet all of you! Good luck with your projects -- and please, if you are comfortable with the idea, feed them back into the project.
[18:56] Larry Pixel: cya !
[18:56] You: so, this is our way to give back to them
[18:56] Eloise Pasteur: Bye Larry
[18:56] Ionnes McBride: thanks for you time... bye
[18:56] You: thanks, Larry :-)
[18:56] Larry Pixel: you bet
[18:56] Larry Pixel: one last thing
[18:56] Daliah Carter: bye larry
[18:57] Larry Pixel: you folks probably don't know how lucky you are, but Desi and Elo are two of the most creative people I know
[18:57] Larry Pixel: :)
[18:57] Desideria Stockton blushes
[18:57] Eloise Pasteur blushes
[18:57] You: ok, so that wa fun!
[18:57] Ionnes McBride: how do you "blush" on SL?
[18:57] You: lol
[18:57] You: we type it
[18:57] You: backslash
[18:57] You: like this /blushes
[18:57] You: try it
[18:57] Ionnes McBride: \laughs
[18:58] Nathamine Nemeth: /blushes
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: lol... my character just broke into laughter... that was funny
[18:58] You: like this /me blushes
[18:58] You: oops I forgot a word
[18:58] Daliah Carter: me
[18:58] You: so, like this /me blushes
[18:58] Desideria Stockton laughs
[18:58] Ionnes McBride laughs
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: cool
[18:58] You: there ya go
[18:58] You: ok
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: i learned something
[18:59] You: so, lets sort out where else we should look
[18:59] You: lets go to flickr
[18:59] You: www.flickr.com
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: i don't get what the usefulness of flickr is
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: (was that grammatically correct?)
[19:00] Nathamine Nemeth: I never found any video or slides there....just stills
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: ditto
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: and that didn't seem very useful
[19:00] Nathamine Nemeth: ditto
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: flickr depends on what you're looking for
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: There are all kinds of things there
[19:01] You: ok
[19:01] You: so maybe that isnt a place that is used?
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: but it is mostly photos
[19:01] Nathamine Nemeth: I did a search for SL and business the other day...nothing
[19:01] Ionnes McBride: ditto
[19:01] You: is it fair to say some platforms (like slaideshare) are more useful than others?
[19:02] Nathamine Nemeth: certainly
[19:02] Ionnes McBride: i didn't SL and business too... that's funny... i could only find 15 good sources...
[19:02] Ionnes McBride: i did rather
[19:02] Nathamine Nemeth: I kind of stretched it a bit to find twenty
[19:02] You: ok, now lets just do a simple google search ... type this in exactly with the quotation marks..." NMC Horizon Report"
[19:02] You: see what comes up
[19:03] Ionnes McBride: okay... the actual report came up first... obviously
[19:03] You: ok
[19:03] You: then?
[19:03] Nathamine Nemeth: somethign from educause
[19:03] Ionnes McBride: "research agenda..."
[19:03] You: ok, they were a sponsor
[19:03] You: anything else?
[19:03] You: any blogs?
[19:03] You: other sites?
[19:03] Nathamine Nemeth: nercomp
[19:03] You: ok
[19:04] You: click that
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: one from "elearningneeds.blogspot...."
[19:04] You: do you see the pattern?
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: mostly blogs?
[19:04] Nathamine Nemeth: yeah
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: but are blogs cridible sources?
[19:04] You: well, no, others will list it
[19:04] You: yes, for this report
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: okay
[19:04] You: blogs ARE credible
[19:04] You: because we aren'
[19:05] You: t evaluating their use of the report
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: oh
[19:05] Nathamine Nemeth: they give fristhand accounts of how someone used the HR
[19:05] You: we are just saying - here are the pople using it and this is how they are using and why
[19:05] You: we aren't saying that the source is good or bad
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: rite... duh... sorry
[19:05] You: or the reasons good or bad
[19:05] You: no, it is a valid question
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: how many sources are you looking for?
[19:05] You: we are preparing an informational report
[19:05] You: I am looking for you to find EVERYTHING
[19:06] You: that tracks back to the NMC Report
[19:06] You: I want numbers
[19:06] You: charts
[19:06] You: anything that will help Larry and Alan
[19:06] You: as they prepare 2008 report
[19:06] You: who is using it
[19:06] You: how are they using
[19:06] Ionnes McBride cries
[19:06] You: why?
[19:06] You: well, some things can be summed up
[19:06] Ionnes McBride: sounds like a lot of work
[19:06] You: for example
[19:06] Nathamine Nemeth: does using the earlier reports(pre 2007) count?
[19:06] You: we found nearly a thousand tags on Del.icio.us
[19:07] You: no
[19:07] You: we are tracking back only to 2007
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: whew
[19:07] Nathamine Nemeth: that really narrows it
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: way to try to make it more work, Nath
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: lol
[19:07] You: ROFL
[19:07] Nathamine Nemeth: sorry
[19:07] You: no, you have enough to do, but that is why it is given to you upfront
[19:07] You: :-)
[19:08] You: so, I might do a chart
[19:08] You: that lists all of the web 2,0 applications I looked at
[19:08] You: and the tag I used
[19:08] You: so, to introduce the charte
[19:08] You: I would have an overview like this: In searching for uses of the 2007 Horizon Report, the tag "NMC Horizon" was used.
[19:09] You: The search yielded the following results:
[19:09] You: then the table
[19:09] You: Flickr 0
[19:09] Ionnes McBride: so... we don't have to use like... 40 different tags, rite?
[19:09] You: Slideshare: 516
[19:09] You: right
[19:09] You: I would use one or two
[19:09] You: NMC
[19:09] You: and NMC Horizon
[19:10] You: or NMC Horizon
[19:10] Ionnes McBride: what if we do it that way.... what if we do an analysis of the different tags and what we get from them?
[19:10] You: and Horizon Report
[19:10] You: that is one way to do the report
[19:10] You: but remember
[19:10] You: you also have to adress WHY
[19:10] You: and HOW
[19:10] You: can you get that from just a simple look at the services used?
[19:10] Ionnes McBride: yes?
[19:11] You: (no)
[19:11] Ionnes McBride: bummer
[19:11] Ionnes McBride: i figured it try it
[19:11] You: some services, like Del.icio.us and FURL
[19:11] You: just capture pages
[19:11] You: so, those will be fairly easy
[19:11] You: but YouTube
[19:11] You: and SLideShare
[19:11] You: you have to look at
[19:11] You: my advice is to send an email to your classmates
[19:11] You: tell them to read this chatr history (I will tell them to as well)
[19:11] You: and then work together
[19:12] You: so, all of you are doing some research
[19:12] You: sharing it with each other
[19:12] You: and then everyone can use it in the final report
[19:12] You: I can create a wiki for you if you want one
[19:12] You: or you can use the one that exists
[19:12] Ionnes McBride: a new one might make things simpler
[19:12] You: but, if you want to work collaboratively, that has to be generated by you
[19:12] Ionnes McBride: but i don't want to burden you w/ extra work
[19:13] You: lol
[19:13] You: it takes LITERALLY
[19:13] You: 30 seconds
[19:13] You: for me to set up a wiki
[19:13] Ionnes McBride: i have a question...
[19:13] You: I can set it up right this second
[19:13] You: if you know you want one
[19:14] Ionnes McBride: what are we going to have final-wise?
[19:14] Ionnes McBride: as in exame
[19:15] You: here is the wiki I just set up for you
[19:15] You: http://collegeenglishstudents.wikispaces.com/107JointNMCResearch
[19:15] You: and the final is an essay
[19:15] You: actually
[19:15] You: a short report
[19:15] You: and it is easy
[19:15] Nathamine Nemeth: another report?
[19:15] You: you answer one question
[19:15] Ionnes McBride: bummer... i was hoping you would so we didn't have one... just the Final project
[19:15] You: well, the dept requires one
[19:15] Ionnes McBride: what's the question?
[19:16] You: so, here is the question
[19:16] You: "Write an analysis report of how this course might help prepare you for the work force."
[19:16] You: it is worded a bit differently
[19:16] You: but that is the gist of it
[19:16] You: if you give me a thoughtful response
[19:16] You: you get 100
[19:17] Nathamine Nemeth: when will we do it?
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: when's it due?
[19:17] You: it is open during finals week
[19:17] You: for three days
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: okay
[19:17] You: you can start it now
[19:17] You: lol
[19:17] You: it is really easy
[19:17] You: you are just evaluating the class
[19:17] You: what you learned
[19:17] You: how you will use it
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: sounds great
[19:18] You: now remember where the majority of class points come from
[19:18] You: this report is a hige chunk of points
[19:18] Ionnes McBride: yes... gold stars
[19:18] You: huge
[19:18] Ionnes McBride: oh... that too
[19:18] You: so, put all your all into it
[19:18] You: because they go to NMC and I want to be proud of the work you have done
[19:18] You: and YOU want to be proud of the work you have done
[19:18] Scope Cleaver is Offline
[19:19] You: did you see the wiki?
[19:19] You: someone send an email to the class
[19:19] Ionnes McBride: okay... and you said you would post this on the blog? cuz i gotta run...
[19:19] You: I will post this chat right on there for you
[19:19] Ionnes McBride: thanks
[19:19] Scope Cleaver is Online
[19:19] You: with a link to it
[19:19] You: ok
[19:19] You: take care
[19:19] Nathamine Nemeth: I gotta run....and my internet explorer is misbehaving
[19:19] You: ok
[19:19] You: see ya later :-)
[19:20] Ionnes McBride: thanks for all you help, mrs, Stockton
[19:20] Eloise Pasteur: Bye:0
[19:20] Daliah Carter: good night guys
[19:20] You: lol
[19:20] You: bye
[19:20] Nathamine Nemeth: bye
[18:16] You: Hi everyone!
[18:16] Daliah Carter: Hi desi
[18:16] Ionnes McBride: hello
[18:16] Eloise Pasteur: Hi Desi :-)
[18:16] Nathamine Nemeth: hi
[18:17] You: How is everyone doing?
[18:17] Ionnes McBride: good... i'm nervous about this final project
[18:17] You: ok, let's talk about it
[18:17] Nathamine Nemeth: I have a couple questions about it
[18:17] You: what makes you nervous?
[18:17] You: ok, lets talk about it
[18:17] Ionnes McBride: i don't have any clue what you want in it... lol
[18:17] You: what questions do you have
[18:17] Nathamine Nemeth: wel...
[18:17] You: ok - lets start with the point of it all
[18:18] Ionnes McBride: sounds good
[18:18] Nathamine Nemeth: what from should our citations and bib take?
[18:18] You: NMC wants to know who has used the horizon report and how
[18:18] Ionnes McBride: okay...
[18:18] You: you may use either MLA or APA
[18:18] Nathamine Nemeth: footnotes?
[18:18] You: so, everyone go to www.digg.com
[18:18] You: and type in NMC
[18:18] You: in the search tab
[18:18] You: what comes up?
[18:19] Ionnes McBride: "second life: NMC creativity symposium"... whatever that means
[18:19] You: that was a conference
[18:19] You: do you see any citations for the Horizon report?
[18:20] Ionnes McBride: not really... most of it isn't the "NMC" i'm looking for
[18:20] Nathamine Nemeth: when is this due?
[18:21] Parrot Ferrer is Online
[18:21] You: try NMC Horizon Report
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: okay
[18:21] You: it is Due December 1
[18:21] You: I got one hit
[18:21] Nathamine Nemeth: thanksgiving break doesn't change our schedule?
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: Serious Games To Have Significant Influence on Higher Education
[18:21] You: nope :-)
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: and that's it
[18:21] You: right
[18:21] You: ok
[18:21] You: now lets look at that link
[18:21] You: click on it
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: okay
[18:22] You: we know, for example that this is a blog
[18:22] Ionnes McBride: okay...
[18:22] You: and we know that it is a summary of the report with links directly to the report
[18:22] You: does it do anything else with it?
[18:22] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:23] Ionnes McBride: well... there is a 32 page report about something...
[18:23] You: that is the horizon report (the one you were supposed to have read :-)
[18:23] You: it links to it
[18:23] You: but there is a specific reason given
[18:23] You: why is this person linking to it?
[18:24] Ionnes McBride: uhhh... i'm gonna say i read it... and then go look at it to make sure
[18:24] You: lol
[18:24] Ionnes McBride: wait... what was the question?
[18:24] You: we know this is a blog
[18:24] You: we know that it links to the exact documents
[18:24] You: both the long report and the short list
[18:24] You: but the blog writer gives a reason
[18:25] You: why does this poster link to it?
[18:25] You: read the blog post
[18:25] Ionnes McBride: it is supposed to "seek and identify" technology that will be used in education... i think
[18:26] Ionnes McBride: am i at least close?
[18:26] You: what does this line mean
[18:26] You: With regards to Serious Games, the object of my affection, Virtual Worlds end up on the shortlist as a real opportunity, to be “adopted in two to three years” whilst Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO) Educational Gaming, "within four to five years" shall be common place in a variety of disciplines.
[18:27] Ionnes McBride: meaning... real gamers don't like things like SL... but they would be more willing to try an actually MMORPG
[18:27] You: well, that is the persons interest
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: yes...
[18:28] You: but how is it connected to NMC?
[18:28] You: this person cites the Horizon report to do WHAT to his or her work?
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: NMC is the way to find out how to use an MMO and education simaltamiously
[18:28] You: legitimize?
[18:28] You: right?
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: yes...
[18:28] You: people think that educational games are baloney
[18:28] You: so here is a reputable orgization saying this is the way education is going
[18:29] You: and so this person wants to get connected to that information
[18:29] You: so, we can tell NMC that one person used the report to legitimize their work in edu-gaming
[18:29] You: right?
[18:29] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:29] You: ok
[18:29] You: lets all go to http://del.icio.us
[18:29] Ionnes McBride: ah... and then i've found my source... and cn answer all the questions that i need to for the final...
[18:30] You: and do the same thing
[18:30] You: RIGHT!
[18:30] You: lets go to del.icio.us
[18:30] You: and see what we find there
[18:30] Ionnes McBride: see... it's starting to click... slowly
[18:31] You: Lots of stuff there
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:31] You: we will have to look at each citation
[18:31] You: see HOW the report has been used and WHO has used
[18:31] You: so, in that first example
[18:31] You: we know that it was used ina BLOG
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: the first link?
[18:31] You: (from Digg)
[18:31] You: we know WHY it was used
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: oh.. rite
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:31] Nathamine Nemeth: most of the links at delicious are to the report itself
[18:32] You: and we could figure out pretty easily who the blogger is
[18:32] Ionnes McBride: i agree with Nath
[18:32] You: ah
[18:32] Ionnes McBride: true again
[18:32] You: so, we can sum up ALL those with X number of people tagged the 2007 Horizon Report on Del.icio.us
[18:33] You: so, we can say that HOW they used it was tagging it
[18:33] Ionnes McBride: no way!!
[18:33] You: and WHY they used it was social bookmarking
[18:33] Ionnes McBride: okay... that's cool
[18:33] You: now, lets count up how many people ALSO connected to it
[18:33] You: (thats the little number in red)
[18:33] You: who can add that all up?
[18:34] You: the SAVED BY
[18:34] Nathamine Nemeth: almost a thousand
[18:34] You: add them all up
[18:34] You: ok, so now we know that nearly a THOUSAND people have saved it on Del.icio.us
[18:34] Ionnes McBride: wow
[18:34] You: now, if you are a compnay and you want to know how effective your report is
[18:34] You: isnt this a great way to track back?
[18:34] Ionnes McBride: i should be writing this all down... is there a way to save all that was said here?
[18:35] Nathamine Nemeth: yeah
[18:35] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:35] You: I will publish this chat on the wiki
[18:35] You: how is that?
[18:35] Ionnes McBride: that's great
[18:35] Eloise Pasteur: open your history, click into the window, cntl-A, Cntl-C and paste it into word or similar
[18:35] You: now. lets brainstorm other places
[18:35] You: how about SlideShare?
[18:35] You: lets go there and see
[18:35] You: www.slideshare.net
[18:36] You: I got 536!
[18:36] Ionnes McBride: i got... 5742
[18:36] Nathamine Nemeth: views?
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: huh?
[18:37] Fleep Tuque is Online
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: wait... now i'm confused
[18:37] Nathamine Nemeth: I don't get a "linked to" or saved at slideshare
[18:37] You: ok, well that may be because we used different tags
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: oh... i get it
[18:37] You: what did you use?
[18:37] You: I used NMC Horizon
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: NMC Horizon Report
[18:37] You: ok
[18:37] Nathamine Nemeth: NMC
[18:38] Nathamine Nemeth: I get 536 for NMC horizon
[18:38] You: Ok, so you need to look at all of them :-)
[18:38] You: and sort them
[18:39] You: Larry Pixel is coming to say hi
[18:39] Ionnes McBride: i hope your kidding
[18:39] You: he is the CEO of NMC
[18:39] You: nope, not kidding
[18:39] You: lol
[18:39] You: now, this is what I WOULD DO
[18:39] You: I would email the class in WebCT
[18:39] You: and get everyone to take a few
[18:39] You: and then share your results on teh blogs
[18:39] You: that way everyone does a little
[18:39] You: but not everyone does it all :-)
[18:39] Ionnes McBride: as opposed to just randomly picking a few?
[18:40] You: thats what I would do if I were a student in the class?
[18:40] You: right, you cant randomly pick
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: what about the calss wiki?
[18:40] You: you could do that too
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: the links we all tagged a while back?
[18:40] You: you could send an email to everyone in WebCT
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: where is that?
[18:41] You: ask them to look at the wiki
[18:41] You: or tell them what you are doing
[18:41] You: and what yopu want the m to do
[18:41] Ionnes McBride: i vote that Nath head it up
[18:41] You: keep me in the loop
[18:41] Nathamine Nemeth: uh......
[18:41] You: and I can help wit hthe wiki side
[18:41] You: or set up a wiki for you
[18:41] Nathamine Nemeth: what am i doing?
[18:41] You: whatever you want me to do - - but I cant send the email
[18:41] Hydra Shaftoe is Online
[18:41] You: this is your project and not mine :-)
[18:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Entering chat range: Larry Pixel (0m)
[18:41] You: do you know how to send email in WebCT?
[18:42] You: just hightlight everyone's name
[18:42] Nathamine Nemeth: I just want to know where is that wiki we made a while back?
[18:42] Eloise Pasteur: Hey Larry
[18:42] Ionnes McBride: yes... that's all i use
[18:42] You: it is still there
[18:42] Daliah Carter: Hello Larry
[18:42] Ionnes McBride: Hello Larry
[18:42] You: Hi LArry, welcome
[18:42] Larry Pixel: Hi everyione!
[18:42] You: these are two students from tech writing
[18:42] Larry Pixel: I have been following your project
[18:42] You: they are working on tracking back the 2007 HP
[18:42] Nathamine Nemeth: I have to decline thi smass e-mail...I have ebough on my plate.
[18:43] You: Larry, can you tell the students what you do?
[18:43] You: who you are and all that great stuff?
[18:43] Larry Pixel: I am the CEO of the New Media Consortium
[18:43] Larry Pixel: you can find more about me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_F._Johnson
[18:43] Larry Pixel: NMC publishes the Horizon Report each january
[18:44] Nathamine Nemeth: so there is one coming soon?
[18:44] You: Larry, it you had to pick one web 2.0 application that you suspect tags the report the most, which one would it be?
[18:44] Larry Pixel: and I lead the project in addition to many other things at NMC
[18:44] You: yes, another will come in January
[18:44] Larry Pixel: yes it is is released each january, so we are deep into writing the 2008 Report
[18:45] Larry Pixel: well I'd look for some evidence first, but have not done that
[18:45] Ionnes McBride: what are some of the newest items?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: what have you found?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: new items for 2008?
[18:45] Ionnes McBride: oh... i didn't know you were talking to me
[18:45] Larry Pixel: we're not that far yet
[18:45] Larry Pixel: it is still November!
[18:46] Larry Pixel: we have it down from 240 items on the original list in August to 12 now
[18:46] You: were there any suprises in what didn't make the cut?
[18:46] Larry Pixel: so if you have one question for the author of the Horizon Report, what woudl it be?
[18:46] Larry Pixel: mmmmmm.....surprises? No not really
[18:47] Ionnes McBride: How accurate are the predictions?
[18:47] Larry Pixel: Remember we are looking for things that will enter common use on campuses, so most are already in use in business and industry or entertainment now
[18:48] Larry Pixel: How accurate are the predictions?
[18:48] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:48] Larry Pixel: well that is a common question, but it is not one we particularly are focused on -- we look for ones that are interesting....but to answer directly, in 4 years, we've not missed any
[18:49] Larry Pixel: all are in common use within the time frames we thought. Some have converged with others, some have new names, but all have made it into common use
[18:49] You: Larry, is it useful for you to know HOW the project has been used?
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: cn i ask a second question?
[18:49] You: lol
[18:49] You: sure
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: nm...
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: go ahead
[18:49] Larry Pixel: for example we used to call things like Facebook "social computing"
[18:50] Larry Pixel: now it is called social networking -- or even a social operating system
[18:51] Ionnes McBride: i have a more specific question... we were discussing real gamers... and the fact that they won't use something SL, but want more of an MMO
[18:51] Larry Pixel: ahhhh
[18:51] Ionnes McBride: is that balance between the gaming and education possible in a way to reach hardcore gamers?
[18:51] Larry Pixel: welll I'd argue that Second Life and the other some 100 virtual worlds are not games at all
[18:52] Ionnes McBride: so would i...
[18:52] Larry Pixel: but merely share a commion approach to platform
[18:53] Larry Pixel: in my research, the most common actual games used in edu so far are not MMOs
[18:53] You: so, does this information help you, LArry?what the students are doing?
[18:53] You: for example, we just discovered that many people are using it to legitimize their work
[18:53] Larry Pixel: now in the military, that is not the case...they use games all the time for training
[18:53] You: is that something that is helpful to know?
[18:54] Larry Pixel: yes we very much appreciate this sort of support and expansion of the work we have done. I hope you will share your reports with us.
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] You: they are all coming to you and Alan
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] Ionnes McBride: willl we get paid? lol.. jk
[18:54] You: as part of their grade
[18:54] You: you get paid in the form of grades
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] Ionnes McBride: typical teacher answer
[18:54] You: Larry is really busy and could only stop for a second to be with us
[18:54] Larry Pixel: will NMC pay you?
[18:54] Larry Pixel: no
[18:55] Desideria Stockton is a typical cranky teacher
[18:55] You: lol
[18:55] Larry Pixel: we are not-for-profit
[18:55] Ionnes McBride: oh okay...
[18:55] You: and I dont get paid either
[18:55] You: lol
[18:55] Larry Pixel: our purpose is to make contributions that help people, and all involved are violunteers
[18:55] You: but, NMC has been a great supporter of education here
[18:55] You: in SL
[18:56] You: and, specifically, the literature builds for Literature Alive!
[18:56] Larry Pixel: it was very very nice to meet all of you! Good luck with your projects -- and please, if you are comfortable with the idea, feed them back into the project.
[18:56] Larry Pixel: cya !
[18:56] You: so, this is our way to give back to them
[18:56] Eloise Pasteur: Bye Larry
[18:56] Ionnes McBride: thanks for you time... bye
[18:56] You: thanks, Larry :-)
[18:56] Larry Pixel: you bet
[18:56] Larry Pixel: one last thing
[18:56] Daliah Carter: bye larry
[18:57] Larry Pixel: you folks probably don't know how lucky you are, but Desi and Elo are two of the most creative people I know
[18:57] Larry Pixel: :)
[18:57] Desideria Stockton blushes
[18:57] Eloise Pasteur blushes
[18:57] You: ok, so that wa fun!
[18:57] Ionnes McBride: how do you "blush" on SL?
[18:57] You: lol
[18:57] You: we type it
[18:57] You: backslash
[18:57] You: like this /blushes
[18:57] You: try it
[18:57] Ionnes McBride: \laughs
[18:58] Nathamine Nemeth: /blushes
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: lol... my character just broke into laughter... that was funny
[18:58] You: like this /me blushes
[18:58] You: oops I forgot a word
[18:58] Daliah Carter: me
[18:58] You: so, like this /me blushes
[18:58] Desideria Stockton laughs
[18:58] Ionnes McBride laughs
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: cool
[18:58] You: there ya go
[18:58] You: ok
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: i learned something
[18:59] You: so, lets sort out where else we should look
[18:59] You: lets go to flickr
[18:59] You: www.flickr.com
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: i don't get what the usefulness of flickr is
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: (was that grammatically correct?)
[19:00] Nathamine Nemeth: I never found any video or slides there....just stills
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: ditto
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: and that didn't seem very useful
[19:00] Nathamine Nemeth: ditto
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: flickr depends on what you're looking for
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: There are all kinds of things there
[19:01] You: ok
[19:01] You: so maybe that isnt a place that is used?
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: but it is mostly photos
[19:01] Nathamine Nemeth: I did a search for SL and business the other day...nothing
[19:01] Ionnes McBride: ditto
[19:01] You: is it fair to say some platforms (like slaideshare) are more useful than others?
[19:02] Nathamine Nemeth: certainly
[19:02] Ionnes McBride: i didn't SL and business too... that's funny... i could only find 15 good sources...
[19:02] Ionnes McBride: i did rather
[19:02] Nathamine Nemeth: I kind of stretched it a bit to find twenty
[19:02] You: ok, now lets just do a simple google search ... type this in exactly with the quotation marks..." NMC Horizon Report"
[19:02] You: see what comes up
[19:03] Ionnes McBride: okay... the actual report came up first... obviously
[19:03] You: ok
[19:03] You: then?
[19:03] Nathamine Nemeth: somethign from educause
[19:03] Ionnes McBride: "research agenda..."
[19:03] You: ok, they were a sponsor
[19:03] You: anything else?
[19:03] You: any blogs?
[19:03] You: other sites?
[19:03] Nathamine Nemeth: nercomp
[19:03] You: ok
[19:04] You: click that
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: one from "elearningneeds.blogspot...."
[19:04] You: do you see the pattern?
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: mostly blogs?
[19:04] Nathamine Nemeth: yeah
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: but are blogs cridible sources?
[19:04] You: well, no, others will list it
[19:04] You: yes, for this report
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: okay
[19:04] You: blogs ARE credible
[19:04] You: because we aren'
[19:05] You: t evaluating their use of the report
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: oh
[19:05] Nathamine Nemeth: they give fristhand accounts of how someone used the HR
[19:05] You: we are just saying - here are the pople using it and this is how they are using and why
[19:05] You: we aren't saying that the source is good or bad
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: rite... duh... sorry
[19:05] You: or the reasons good or bad
[19:05] You: no, it is a valid question
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: how many sources are you looking for?
[19:05] You: we are preparing an informational report
[19:05] You: I am looking for you to find EVERYTHING
[19:06] You: that tracks back to the NMC Report
[19:06] You: I want numbers
[19:06] You: charts
[19:06] You: anything that will help Larry and Alan
[19:06] You: as they prepare 2008 report
[19:06] You: who is using it
[19:06] You: how are they using
[19:06] Ionnes McBride cries
[19:06] You: why?
[19:06] You: well, some things can be summed up
[19:06] Ionnes McBride: sounds like a lot of work
[19:06] You: for example
[19:06] Nathamine Nemeth: does using the earlier reports(pre 2007) count?
[19:06] You: we found nearly a thousand tags on Del.icio.us
[19:07] You: no
[19:07] You: we are tracking back only to 2007
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: whew
[19:07] Nathamine Nemeth: that really narrows it
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: way to try to make it more work, Nath
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: lol
[19:07] You: ROFL
[19:07] Nathamine Nemeth: sorry
[19:07] You: no, you have enough to do, but that is why it is given to you upfront
[19:07] You: :-)
[19:08] You: so, I might do a chart
[19:08] You: that lists all of the web 2,0 applications I looked at
[19:08] You: and the tag I used
[19:08] You: so, to introduce the charte
[19:08] You: I would have an overview like this: In searching for uses of the 2007 Horizon Report, the tag "NMC Horizon" was used.
[19:09] You: The search yielded the following results:
[19:09] You: then the table
[19:09] You: Flickr 0
[19:09] Ionnes McBride: so... we don't have to use like... 40 different tags, rite?
[19:09] You: Slideshare: 516
[19:09] You: right
[19:09] You: I would use one or two
[19:09] You: NMC
[19:09] You: and NMC Horizon
[19:10] You: or NMC Horizon
[19:10] Ionnes McBride: what if we do it that way.... what if we do an analysis of the different tags and what we get from them?
[19:10] You: and Horizon Report
[19:10] You: that is one way to do the report
[19:10] You: but remember
[19:10] You: you also have to adress WHY
[19:10] You: and HOW
[19:10] You: can you get that from just a simple look at the services used?
[19:10] Ionnes McBride: yes?
[19:11] You: (no)
[19:11] Ionnes McBride: bummer
[19:11] Ionnes McBride: i figured it try it
[19:11] You: some services, like Del.icio.us and FURL
[19:11] You: just capture pages
[19:11] You: so, those will be fairly easy
[19:11] You: but YouTube
[19:11] You: and SLideShare
[19:11] You: you have to look at
[19:11] You: my advice is to send an email to your classmates
[19:11] You: tell them to read this chatr history (I will tell them to as well)
[19:11] You: and then work together
[19:12] You: so, all of you are doing some research
[19:12] You: sharing it with each other
[19:12] You: and then everyone can use it in the final report
[19:12] You: I can create a wiki for you if you want one
[19:12] You: or you can use the one that exists
[19:12] Ionnes McBride: a new one might make things simpler
[19:12] You: but, if you want to work collaboratively, that has to be generated by you
[19:12] Ionnes McBride: but i don't want to burden you w/ extra work
[19:13] You: lol
[19:13] You: it takes LITERALLY
[19:13] You: 30 seconds
[19:13] You: for me to set up a wiki
[19:13] Ionnes McBride: i have a question...
[19:13] You: I can set it up right this second
[19:13] You: if you know you want one
[19:14] Ionnes McBride: what are we going to have final-wise?
[19:14] Ionnes McBride: as in exame
[19:15] You: here is the wiki I just set up for you
[19:15] You: http://collegeenglishstudents.wikispaces.com/107JointNMCResearch
[19:15] You: and the final is an essay
[19:15] You: actually
[19:15] You: a short report
[19:15] You: and it is easy
[19:15] Nathamine Nemeth: another report?
[19:15] You: you answer one question
[19:15] Ionnes McBride: bummer... i was hoping you would so we didn't have one... just the Final project
[19:15] You: well, the dept requires one
[19:15] Ionnes McBride: what's the question?
[19:16] You: so, here is the question
[19:16] You: "Write an analysis report of how this course might help prepare you for the work force."
[19:16] You: it is worded a bit differently
[19:16] You: but that is the gist of it
[19:16] You: if you give me a thoughtful response
[19:16] You: you get 100
[19:17] Nathamine Nemeth: when will we do it?
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: when's it due?
[19:17] You: it is open during finals week
[19:17] You: for three days
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: okay
[19:17] You: you can start it now
[19:17] You: lol
[19:17] You: it is really easy
[19:17] You: you are just evaluating the class
[19:17] You: what you learned
[19:17] You: how you will use it
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: sounds great
[19:18] You: now remember where the majority of class points come from
[19:18] You: this report is a hige chunk of points
[19:18] Ionnes McBride: yes... gold stars
[19:18] You: huge
[19:18] Ionnes McBride: oh... that too
[19:18] You: so, put all your all into it
[19:18] You: because they go to NMC and I want to be proud of the work you have done
[19:18] You: and YOU want to be proud of the work you have done
[19:18] Scope Cleaver is Offline
[19:19] You: did you see the wiki?
[19:19] You: someone send an email to the class
[19:19] Ionnes McBride: okay... and you said you would post this on the blog? cuz i gotta run...
[19:19] You: I will post this chat right on there for you
[19:19] Ionnes McBride: thanks
[19:19] Scope Cleaver is Online
[19:19] You: with a link to it
[19:19] You: ok
[19:19] You: take care
[19:19] Nathamine Nemeth: I gotta run....and my internet explorer is misbehaving
[19:19] You: ok
[19:19] You: see ya later :-)
[19:20] Ionnes McBride: thanks for all you help, mrs, Stockton
[19:20] Eloise Pasteur: Bye:0
[19:20] Daliah Carter: good night guys
[19:20] You: lol
[19:20] You: bye
[19:20] Nathamine Nemeth: bye
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